Once upon a time the Mac vs. PC debate found a kind of synecdoche in the FireWire vs. USB debate. FireWire had been invented by Apple way back in 1986 essentially to replace SCSI. USB 1.0 arrived on the scene in 1995 from Intel, Microsoft, and a few others. Somewhat ironically, however, it was the original iMac that gave USB a needed kick-start in adoption. In any case, for a while there was a clear sense that FireWire was the Mac peripheral interface in contrast with the Wintel USB, and even now FireWire 400 tends to outperform the higher-spec'ed USB 2.0 on Macs in the real world. Nonetheless, with Apple moving to Intel there has a been a notable shift in Cupertino away from the interface Apple invented (witness the USB-only iPods), and with the forthcoming USB 3.0 standard and the increasing prevalence of eSATA the future looked somewhat bleak for FireWire. But FireWire is not going down without a fight. The industry trade group has announced a new standard, FireWire S3200 which will use the same connectors as FireWire 800 but deliver approximately 4 times the performance. What's interesting to me is the question of whether and how far Apple will go to support the new standard. Is FireWire destined to become the bastard stepchild or will Apple once again reclaim its old standard and live happily ever after?
[via Engadget]
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12-15-2007 @ 4:43PM
Walt Atwood said...
I would expect that FireWire 3200's fate will depend on how well it works with existing hardware. If it's possible to just buy a PCI or Express34 card and install FW3200 on an existing late-model Mac that easily, and wind up with working 3200, then that will be great.
I also think this FW vs. USB thing is silly, though. One of these days, a low-power fiber optic interface is going to come along and then FireWire, USB, SATA, Ethernet and the whole nine yards will go into the tech junkheap. Then all we'll have left will be fiber optic and wireless.
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12-15-2007 @ 4:50PM
satadru said...
FYI... USB 3.0 supports fiber optic cabling.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#USB_3.0
Fiber optic cabling's a bitch... if you've ever worked with it.
12-15-2007 @ 5:06PM
Jonny said...
I love how if apple buys something from someone else, they inadvertently 'create it'. It's friggin' hilarious.
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12-15-2007 @ 5:14PM
Simon Arch said...
From Wikipedia:
"It was initiated by Apple and developed by the IEEE P1394 Working Group, largely driven by contributions from Apple..."
I'm not certain how that adds up to Apple "buying" FireWire.
12-15-2007 @ 5:14PM
conigs said...
While not technically invented by Apple, Firewire was indeed initiated and heavily backed by Apple through the IEEE 1394 Working group (with funds fro other companies as well. So invented may be a bit misleading, but created sounds about right.
12-15-2007 @ 5:17PM
artifex said...
Got any proof that contradicts the Wikipedia claim that Apple initiated it?
12-15-2007 @ 6:34PM
Jonny said...
So if I fund research for a cure for cancer and the scientists from the company I fund find one, then I created or invented the cure for cancer. hehe.
(btw there's a cure out there... it's the govt keeping it from us maaaaaaaaan)
12-15-2007 @ 5:13PM
Michael said...
From my limited knowledge: Firewire beats out USB due to its concurrent/bi-directional communications with the device. For this alone it is better then USB. I no nothing about USB3 so I am unsure if they change this... and if they do I would assume there might be some troubles with backwards compatibility.
The new Firewire S3200 if FULLY backwards compatible and is a seamless upgrade. It would have to be a no brainer to implement the new standard. However.. I also thought it (is) was a no brainer to implement eSata.... by Apple still has not!
All in all, I want to see the continuation of Firewire... it truly is superior in all aspects. USB is great for keyboards, mice and other input devices... but is HORRIBLE for anything else. USB 2.x has a hard limitation that prevents drives/arrays beyond 2GB. So Firewire has a great long life ahead of it so long as it can surpass eSata.
As a side note... I have not heard anything of late... but wireless FireWire was a very hot protocol.
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12-15-2007 @ 5:15PM
Simon Arch said...
"USB 2.x has a hard limitation that prevents drives/arrays beyond 2GB."
No it doesn't. I've got a 400gb hard drive plugged into my MacBook's USB port right now, and I regularly use my 6gb iPod mini on the same port.
12-15-2007 @ 5:17PM
Michael said...
Opps. My Bad.. that was suppose to be 2TB
12-15-2007 @ 6:03PM
Simon Arch said...
Ah, 2tb sounds more like it. And while that doesn't seem too small TODAY, I'm sure five years from now I'll be singing a different tune.
12-15-2007 @ 5:14PM
Ryan Trevisol said...
Interesting. FW800 hasn't exactly enjoyed even the success FW400 has, but it's definately a nice interface.
With SSD's on the rise, I would expect the best performance for an external SSD drive would come from Firewire 800. If FW800 can get a foothold with performance enthusiasts now with external SSDs, then FW3200 might have a chance. Otherwise, USB's gonna dominate.
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12-15-2007 @ 5:20PM
Fornya said...
Synecdoche? That was unnecessary.
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12-15-2007 @ 5:42PM
Weevie833 said...
FW 400 has had a good run, but I have had too many troubles, and heard too many hard luck stories where some static electricity has leaped from a dangling or misaligned FW 400 cable causing thousands of dollars worth of damage to broadcast production equipment. Technically, all devices involved in a FW 400 connection are supposed to be off BEFORE they are connected, but who does that when the whole format was touted as "hot swappable"? FW 800 has eliminated this problem, not to mention problem with reverse polarity insertion problems with FW400. FW400 can die AFAIAC.
steve
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12-15-2007 @ 5:51PM
zsteiner said...
Apple may be shooting themselves in the foot on the Firewire front. My friend recently bought a MacBook to use for music recording. He discovered that his firewire interface does not work with his new computer. The root of the problem is Apple opting for less expensive Firewire chips that do not work with professional audio interfaces from a variety of major manufacturers. Unfortunate that many musicians prefer Mac for recording. This seems to be alienating a large potential Mac (and Firewire) audience.
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12-15-2007 @ 7:09PM
Michel said...
always the doom-day story, hu ?
that's funny. nothing to fuss.
12-17-2007 @ 9:52AM
Joe said...
Well, to be fair, if he's buying a laptop for professional audio recording, he should have checked for compatibility first. Besides, the MacBook is a consumer-level laptop, where the MBP is more for professional applications. I'm not saying that the MacBook shouldn't have a better firewire card, but professional work calls for professional workflows, which include checking for compatibility when upgrading hardware.
FWIW, I use Cubase with a Firepod and have had no issues, and my friend uses ProTools with a Digi02 on a 12" Powerbook. You just have to do your research before you invest in studio gear.
12-15-2007 @ 7:13PM
Cycomachead said...
The funny thing is: I think FW400 is still getting stronger. Dell is now putting 4-6 plugs on their notebooks. Apple should add FW800 support to more Macs (MacBook, MacMini) and it's nice to have that on the iMacs.
But will the current 9 pin connectors work at the 3.2Gb/s or will they just accept the same cable? (Like the USB 1.1-2 connection) Or could their be a firmware update? (I think that's unlikely, but It'd be AWESOME!)
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12-15-2007 @ 7:24PM
Jeff Harrell said...
This story has me confused as hell. Firewire 3200 is not new, not by a long shot. It's at least five years old. I wrote about a news story that referred to Firewire 3200 in January of 2003, and though that news story is no longer up on the Web, it in turn referred to Firewire 3200 technology from as far back as April of 2002. I don't think it was ever turned into a retail product, but I know the specification existed back then.
Is the collective impression around the Web that Firewire 3200 is something brand new?
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12-15-2007 @ 8:20PM
Max said...
Well, considering the Read link is a press release from the 1394 Trade Association officially announcing the Firewire 3200 spec on December 12, 2007 (3 days ago), it seems reasonable to post about it now.
I'm sure they've been working on it for some time now, but it just got finalized as an official spec.